Thanks Mr flipper, i dont know how that's gonna happen unless I manage to get it electronically... I'd like to read Franz' works too, but it's kinda difficult..
Captain Blithering
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You are Still Special After Exiting the Witnesses-You Have a Purpose in Life
by flipper ini wanted to post this as we have so many new ones on the board here - i thought they might benefit from some uplifting words from steve hassan's book " releasing the bonds " .
many newly exiting the jw 's feel lost , like they don't know what to do , or where to turn, what causes that ?
notice these quotes from steve hassan .. on pg.
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With the July 15 WT approaching, would this be the ideal opportunity to start an ACTIVELY VOCAL fade?
by Captain Blithering inby 'actively vocal', i do not mean openly criticising the articles and pointing out the inconsistencies or flipflops (not footwear, reversals).
i do mean letting people know that you're finding it hard to understand the new truth, and the fact that there is therefore old truth, or falsities, (is that a word?
it is now), therefore if there are falsehoods (that's the word, of course), then that puts into doubt the extent of jah's involvement in the preparation/dissemination of it all... (and making it clear you're not saying they aren't gods prophets on earth, just that you're not sure, don't know).. the reason i ask is cos i'm finding it hard to completely fade without an external reason.
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Thanks 2+2=5, (my favourite sum as well as 0+2=1)
Glad it worked out well for you, I'm hoping it does for me too... The pretty half has been reading the July wt with a puzzled expression on her face and she knows how I feel about it being a MAN run organisation so hopefully the cogs are creaking into gear.....
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How to teach TTATT from the inside?
by man oh man inhello all, just wanted to compile a list of tricks and techniques on witnessing to others for us on the inside, especially those of us that still give talks.
do you have a tried and tested way of doing this or do any have some ideas?
how can we plant seeds from the platform without being obvious?.
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Lost generation, i know, I'm one of 'em!
I'm only just now coming to realise what we teach, taught, and now deny!
I'm thinking we can use our answers in these items to stir a bit of thinking, it doesn't have to be from the platform...
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How to teach TTATT from the inside?
by man oh man inhello all, just wanted to compile a list of tricks and techniques on witnessing to others for us on the inside, especially those of us that still give talks.
do you have a tried and tested way of doing this or do any have some ideas?
how can we plant seeds from the platform without being obvious?.
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I've been thinking about this too, there are plenty of opportunities in the highlights of the bible reading, wt study, book study, to bring out controversial yet incontrovertible facts..
I nearly did this this week regarding Jesus being the mediator for all men. I was gonna tow the party line and quote the wt that says he's actually the mediator only for the 144000 but that we benefit by association, something clearly taught but clearly NOT what the scriptures say. .
I chickened out.
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just got an email from a jw friend
by outofthelionsden inhi guys, so i got an email form an old jw friend that i haven't seen in a long time , i moved away to another state a few years ago.
so she sent me an email to tell me that she found out that i had left "jehovahs organization" and that she has been crying for weeks because she always looked up to me ( i was always that kid that pioneered & always had demonstrations and experiences in the district and circuit assemblies) she said that she's not judging me but that she cant believe i would do that , that i know better and that there is no reason ever to leave and hopes that we wake up before its to late..... i have to respond but i know she wont hear ttatt there deep in, so any suggestions would be appreciated on what to respond.. ( im so heart broken and tiered at this point.
i know she is doing it out of love, she's actually the only person that has contacted me, not even my family has done that.
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Some great responses here folks , im just marking this thread for future use....
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With the July 15 WT approaching, would this be the ideal opportunity to start an ACTIVELY VOCAL fade?
by Captain Blithering inby 'actively vocal', i do not mean openly criticising the articles and pointing out the inconsistencies or flipflops (not footwear, reversals).
i do mean letting people know that you're finding it hard to understand the new truth, and the fact that there is therefore old truth, or falsities, (is that a word?
it is now), therefore if there are falsehoods (that's the word, of course), then that puts into doubt the extent of jah's involvement in the preparation/dissemination of it all... (and making it clear you're not saying they aren't gods prophets on earth, just that you're not sure, don't know).. the reason i ask is cos i'm finding it hard to completely fade without an external reason.
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Well put SAHS, and thanks data dog, i always enjoy your comments..
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You are Still Special After Exiting the Witnesses-You Have a Purpose in Life
by flipper ini wanted to post this as we have so many new ones on the board here - i thought they might benefit from some uplifting words from steve hassan's book " releasing the bonds " .
many newly exiting the jw 's feel lost , like they don't know what to do , or where to turn, what causes that ?
notice these quotes from steve hassan .. on pg.
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Cheers mister flipper, a right rivetting read it is too!
I can't read Steve Hassans books just yet, if they were lying around the house they might raise suspicion somewhat, so thanks for posting excerpts!
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With the July 15 WT approaching, would this be the ideal opportunity to start an ACTIVELY VOCAL fade?
by Captain Blithering inby 'actively vocal', i do not mean openly criticising the articles and pointing out the inconsistencies or flipflops (not footwear, reversals).
i do mean letting people know that you're finding it hard to understand the new truth, and the fact that there is therefore old truth, or falsities, (is that a word?
it is now), therefore if there are falsehoods (that's the word, of course), then that puts into doubt the extent of jah's involvement in the preparation/dissemination of it all... (and making it clear you're not saying they aren't gods prophets on earth, just that you're not sure, don't know).. the reason i ask is cos i'm finding it hard to completely fade without an external reason.
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DATA-DOG, i'm not serving at all now, came off as an elder a while back, but I do vaguely remember that letter about witchhunts..
I'm gonna be very careful about what I say, and to whom I say ANYTHING. If the loyalty question comes up, I'll be non-committal, just saying that I don't KNOW for SURE. I can't see action being taken against me for that, it's quite clearly just a question of doubting not apostacizing, I just think that if people see me less and less then they've got something in their mind to account for it, rather than wondering, and pestering!
(I know I don't owe them anything, but I do think it'll be an easier route for ME).
We'll see.
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With the July 15 WT approaching, would this be the ideal opportunity to start an ACTIVELY VOCAL fade?
by Captain Blithering inby 'actively vocal', i do not mean openly criticising the articles and pointing out the inconsistencies or flipflops (not footwear, reversals).
i do mean letting people know that you're finding it hard to understand the new truth, and the fact that there is therefore old truth, or falsities, (is that a word?
it is now), therefore if there are falsehoods (that's the word, of course), then that puts into doubt the extent of jah's involvement in the preparation/dissemination of it all... (and making it clear you're not saying they aren't gods prophets on earth, just that you're not sure, don't know).. the reason i ask is cos i'm finding it hard to completely fade without an external reason.
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Wow, thanks everyone for the sage advice..
There's too many to reply to individually, but please be assured I will seriously think on all you've said..
I HAVE expressed doubts to the missus, and been VERY careful about what I've said and not said. I was especially careful in expressing that I could be DF'd for just holding a dissenting view, something she found hard to believe. It's like the elephant in the room that daren't be talked about at the moment. I hope I don't step in the poo.
I'm definitely going to take it slowly, I DEFINITELY don't want to blow my marriage up while exiting the minefield. I think this IS a good time to take hold of the issue, express puzzlement, even if it's months down the line, it can be something to refer to as a stumbling block to those FEW people who will ask for a reason and who I think may deserve one.
I'm particularly encouraged by BLUESBROTHER above, that scripture is exactly what I had in mind and I'm glad this path worked for you to whatever extent it did work.
Thanks folks, I'll be reading all your replies over and over again I'm certain.
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With the July 15 WT approaching, would this be the ideal opportunity to start an ACTIVELY VOCAL fade?
by Captain Blithering inby 'actively vocal', i do not mean openly criticising the articles and pointing out the inconsistencies or flipflops (not footwear, reversals).
i do mean letting people know that you're finding it hard to understand the new truth, and the fact that there is therefore old truth, or falsities, (is that a word?
it is now), therefore if there are falsehoods (that's the word, of course), then that puts into doubt the extent of jah's involvement in the preparation/dissemination of it all... (and making it clear you're not saying they aren't gods prophets on earth, just that you're not sure, don't know).. the reason i ask is cos i'm finding it hard to completely fade without an external reason.
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SEPERATION OF POWERS - wow, that's great! Worth memorising for sure, thanks for that!